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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we found we can't keep spending our kids inheritance, can't keep spending their money, we don't have it. >> greta: apparently he has threatened, i think his statement, at least people-- that in the event, congress doesn't authorize to raise that debt ceiling that he will do it unilaterally himself and he thinks he has the authority. do you >> absolutely not. under the 14th amendment of the constitution you can only do this as authorized by law and law is only created through the united states congress. so the president has absolutely no ground
senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to...
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the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >> john boehner responded the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending statement. wendell, a government shut down, is that something that really might happen? neither side is ready to blink yet. he has laid out they are ready to compromise if possible that could lead to a government shut down although probably not right away. president obama suggested right before the u.s. the people at home might be told they have to wait for their money. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security
the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >>...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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ceiling and your own history with the debt ceiling and doesn't that suggest we're going into a default because no one is talking to each other how to resolve this? >> no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult. >> jon: president obama a little testy there answering a question from cbs news white house correspondent major garrett, formerly of this network. it was mr. obama's final news conference of his first term. so, what did you think, judy, about the questions that the president received? only seven of them for a news conference. the answers went on very long. >> you might even say stonewalling answers, each answer was roughly the equivalent of about seven and a half minutes. no wonder there's no time for follow-ups. look, the white house press corps, how many times do we have to talk about it. other than major garrett, who was a sight to see there, even jake tapper said, oh, yes, major always asks good questions, when he was on fox we didn't call on him much. that's what this is about. the white house press corps has to be
ceiling and your own history with the debt ceiling and doesn't that suggest we're going into a default because no one is talking to each other how to resolve this? >> no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult. >> jon: president obama a little testy there answering a question from cbs news white house correspondent major garrett, formerly of this network. it was mr. obama's final news conference of his first term. so, what...
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ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we no
ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a...
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ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we no
ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a...
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but his strategy with fiscal cliff as is his strategy wonderful the debt ceiling is to split fracture and therefore neuter republicans in the house because that is all that stands between him and total dominance of washington in his second term. he wants a return to 2009-2010 when he had control of both houses he had a super majority in the senate. huge majority in the house. and revolutionized healthcare and passed the biggest spending bill the stimulus in galactic history. that's what he wants. the only way to do it is to do what he is doing and it already worked with the fiscal cliff fractured the republicans. who was in charge of the last vote? nancy pelosi, the democrats. she got 9 out of 10 to go with her. a few republicans. she controlled the agenda. that's his strategy. >> bill: it's working. and i don't know whether it's going to work down the road but he has two huge things going for him. the media behind him, all right. so think are going to support what he does generally speaking on the networks news level in the major urban newspapers and wire services like the associated
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rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, socia
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment...
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one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. what do key republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive order approach a whole lot better than the legislative approach. you can't get all that foreign with executive order. you have to legislate and you have to legislate realistically. you have to realize you don't control the entire congress. >> republicans don't like that the president is converting his campaign apparatus into a purpose that helped him in his second term. they are thinking that is probably not a good sign in working in a bipartisan fashion. >> one area where they do not agree at all is over the budget. it>> it has been a source of problems when they work on critical issues and budget is a key c
one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. what do key republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive...
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ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes that the american people may be saddled with. stu varney is varney and company on the fox business network. they're not the majority in the house, but there is he' a push to make them the majority in the house. and president obama is reportedly maneuvering in a lot of ways, politically now to try to set the democrats up to retake control of the house and there's a question about whether as soon as 2014, if they get their way, they're going to get rid of the debt ceiling. what would that do? >> what they want is unlimited borrowing by the administration so the treasury can say, i want to borrow, this, this, this,
ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes...
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congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our bills. congress has two choices here. we can act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. jenna: republicans like congressman jason chaffetz blasting back against the president. >> i think the president was terribly irresponsible today. to say he will not talk about it because he is above it, but blame all of congress, in part congress helped create this problem but we are going to hear to solve this pr
congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our...
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we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills, using borrowed money to pay its bills. that credit card will never be paid off and the balance on it will never be paid down. that is dead beat behavior and that should be pointed out. by using that expression, the president is talk down america. we stand not as tall in the eyes of the world when the president uses that kind of language. >> gretchen: could it also be he was talking down to republicans because he thinks right now that he has the majority of the american people on his side? to me, his words, whether or not they're true, resonate with some americans because he simplifies his message and d
we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills,...
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the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's plan to bring down spending dollar for dollar makes a lot of sense and i think pat toomey's does. you don't want to cut very things most critical to the u.s. there is lot of garbage spending in government, believe me, bill, when i say that. why would you make the critical spending the first things you're going to cut except just to hold the country hostage. that is what the democrats are threatening. it doesn't make sense. bill: do you think republicans can win on either option? >> if they do it carefully, slowly and comfortably, yes i do think they ca
the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's...
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>> they seemed to welcome the idea, the republicans sound willing to extend the debt ceiling. a spokesman for majority leader harry reid says if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase to avoid default and allow the white house to to meet its existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. they don't want the drama. >> debt ceiling in a manner that causes no concern to the economy and to global markets, that does not in any way suggest that washington is about to, you know, engage in another process that results in a self-inflicted wound to the economy. >> this afternoon, carney calls on congress to pass an extension of the borrowing limit without delay. bill? >> bill: get ready for another battle. thanks, mike. mike immanuel from washington tonight. top story as we go around the world tonight in 80 seconds. >> china, had happened after a cargo ship ran aground on some rocks and sprang a leak. the crew reportedly trapped for seven hours in stiff winds and wonderful waives. the helicopter team pulled all four people on board to safety in just 35 minutes. germany.
>> they seemed to welcome the idea, the republicans sound willing to extend the debt ceiling. a spokesman for majority leader harry reid says if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase to avoid default and allow the white house to to meet its existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. they don't want the drama. >> debt ceiling in a manner that causes no concern to the economy and to global markets, that does not in any way suggest that washington is about to, you...
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what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget. bill: can that idea move forward do you think. >> it makes a lot more sense. the republicans have a lot more leverage there and they don't run the risk and the president can't portray them at that point as being willing to default on the full faith and credit of the united states and sink the economy, and have credit ratings dropped and things like that. this is in a sense it's a flip of what happened with the fiscal cliff where one way or another taxes were going to go up on the rich was the bush tax cuts were going to expire. here there are going to be spending cuts that kick in on march 1st, so
what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget....
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to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior political analyst. brit hume. good evening. >> hi, bret. >> the house republicans are not wrong to seek spending cut to allow borrowing by a treasury more than $16 trillion in debt. but in politics it's not enough to be right. you need to be effective. it requires recognition that politics is a team sport and being united is critical. this is true if the party controls one house of congress and the other party not only has the other one but the white house as well. consider what happened in the recent fiscal cliff end game. taxes were set to go up by law on january 1. some h
to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior...
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ceiling. the u.s. has reached borrowing limit it did so last week by late february or early march. the treasury department will run out of ways to cover its debt and could begin defaulting. the pentagon looking at a request from france for drone support. france wants the assistance as its military takes on al qaeda linked terrorists terrorists in. french troops drive back rebels take back control of big chunk of west african nation. turning now to the civil war raging in syria. international efforts to hold the syrian government responsible for war crimes now. more than 50 nations backing a plane conflict to the international criminal court. this as rebel forces and syrian troops battle for control of key territory outside of syria's capital damascus. the u.n. estimating now 60,000 people have conor powell has the latest russia announcing today it continues to support u.n. backed peace efforts but also undermining those efforts by saying that the removal of president assad from power cannot be
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>> he already said he doesn't think anything should be tied to the debt ceiling. it's something you shouldn't play with the full faith and credit of the united states. what is interesting about this, coming out of the republican retreat that just occurred, there are some republicans within the republican house, republican caucus who actually agree with him on the sense that you don't play with the debt ceiling as the point to which to make cuts. there are other issues coming up like the continuing resolution and sequester cuts where they would like to make their last stand there for cutting getting spending cuts and allow on temporary extension without not much attached to it. >> heather: let's talk about the economy. the president starts his new term. less than 1% rate it as excellent. 9% say it's good shape. that is up a touch from his first inauguration but 91% of voters say economic conditions negatively today. why are we here again? >> you have to wonder. i point you back to november the conditions haven't changed all that much in two months. i would imagine
>> he already said he doesn't think anything should be tied to the debt ceiling. it's something you shouldn't play with the full faith and credit of the united states. what is interesting about this, coming out of the republican retreat that just occurred, there are some republicans within the republican house, republican caucus who actually agree with him on the sense that you don't play with the debt ceiling as the point to which to make cuts. there are other issues coming up like the...
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we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whatever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has been down graded as a result of it? >> i remember as a kid i don't know elementary school or junior high when bewere talking about the debt it was something like 4 trillion. and our teachers asked us to wrap our heads around that number. try wrapping your head around 16 trillion. i just can't imagine. to pay that down how many years that would take. even with being smart with government spending. >> it's larger than our entire economy just to put it in some scale here. >> that's a problem. yeah. i remember when i was a kid going to the gas station and thinking wow why the t
we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whatever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has...
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the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a lot of us thought that, including me. well he won. this president may now have the view that he can defy political gravity and if the economy doesn't get a lot bet and it limps along at its anemic rate of growth his party can survive all that and he can go forward with an aggressive a skwrepbd today, he really does have a bigger mandate than you would think looking at the vote totals that he has, he has the republicans on defense and it's time to go for it, and if they buck him they will be the ones that pay the price in the mid-term elections in two years putting him in an even str
the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a...
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he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state of california, arnold schwarzenegger. good morning to you. >> good morning. nice to be here again. >> brian: he sends a warning to the republicans should they back off or take on the president? >> first of all, i think i find it interesting that when you want to have more money, if you go to any financial institution, they say look, i can't pay my bills, i need more money. they want to see their payment plan. how are you going to live responsible from here on? then you can get more money. so i don't understand that why this should not be a part of the discussion because it ought to be. i think ameri
he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state...